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mr president
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a [second](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz-tCoXxKpc) 90s converge live show has hit the towers
hardcore is dance music, not fight music. it is for the presence of purpose, not absence of kindness. hardcore is free expression without barrier; beating someone with your fists for not agreeing with you is not that. i think the reason modern "hardcore" is just sad guy fight metal and not hardcore punk is because the scene does not revolve around music or message, but around the vibe. the hardcore vibe entrenched by the violent, oppressive, tense environment of minor threat, fugazi and TSOL is what has stuck around. the vibe of clenching your jaw, feet flying, knowing violence can happen at any time and its unfair because you didnt do anything you just wanted to have fun and these people want to hurt you and why and why but its not right and your friends know its not right and your friends arent small anymore you're not small anymore you wont let them hurt you, so come, and fight.
the issue is, that vibe was present because cops, jocks, and nazi's would come and beat the fuck out of people for no reason, and violence was met with violence. now those people dont bother hardcore shows, but the vibe is *needed*, it needs to stay, so someone needs to fill that antagonism to maintain the vibe. this is where we get middle aged mosh crew dickheads spinkicking 16 year old girls.

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mr president
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a [second](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz-tCoXxKpc) 90s converge live show has hit the towers
hardcore is dance music, not fight music. it is for the presence of purpose, not absence of kindness. hardcore is free expression without barrier; beating someone with your fists for not agreeing with you is not that. i think the reason modern "hardcore" is just sad guy fight metal and not hardcore punk is because the scene does not revolve around music or message, but around the vibe. the hardcore vibe entrenched by the violent, oppressive, tense environment of minor threat, fugazi and TSOL is what has stuck around. the vibe of clenching your jaw, feet flying, knowing violence can happen at any time and its unfair because you didnt do anything you just wanted to have fun and these people want to hurt you and why and why but its not right and your friends know its not right and your friends arent small anymore you're not small anymore you wont let them hurt you, so come, and fight.
the issue is, that vibe was present because cops, jocks, and nazi's would come and beat the fuck out of people for no reason, and violence was met with violence. now those people dont bother hardcore shows, but the vibe is *needed*, it needs to stay, so someone needs to fill that antagonism to maintain the vibe. this is where we get middle aged mosh crew dickheads spinkicking 16 year old girls.

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I agree iancobain I think people agree with you too much and you have really good, nuanced takes about art and culture. Kys

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gatekeeping through inconvenience
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i think obstacles are one of the most effective ways to exclude people from a scene, for better or for worse.
in tough guy hardcore, its the inconvenience of getting punched in the face and a physical, noisy show. in the ottawa scene, its the inconvenience of paying out the ass and having to be *in*. these inconveniences exclude certain types of people, and make sure other types of people and included.
is it possible to have a scene without inconvenience? I think opting out of all social media and all drugs is how i would want to do it. if you want to be a part of the scene, you have to meet people face to face, and you have to confront the environment with a clear mind. you wont find out about it on your zogslop smartphone apps, and you wont be able to use it as an excuse to get wasted. i think this aligns with my values of DIY and pro-community.
i need some fucking contrarians to argue with goddamnit i hate people agreeing with me